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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Appeal to be heard Fri 27 Feb
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according to Official site!

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would be relevant, is to know if the Conference would have concluded it's own planned internal review of it's processes ahead of the appeal...?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would be relevant, is to know if the Conference would have concluded it's own planned internal review of it's processes ahead of the appeal...?


That's the trouble with you Thad, you confuse the issue with relevant facts.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fingers crossed.................
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would be relevant, is to know if the Conference would have concluded it's own planned internal review of it's processes ahead of the appeal...?

The appeal is heard by the FA not the Conference though.

Anyway, the Oxford Mail has printed that the sub-committee was reporting back to the Conference board on 23rd February.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/ox.....al_review/
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would we have more hope with the FA than the Conference? I think perhaps we might as the FA are more likely to point out that the Conference appears to be a bit of a farce.

Also, are we being heard on our own or with Oxford and Mansfield?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would we have more hope with the FA than the Conference? I think perhaps we might as the FA are more likely to point out that the Conference appears to be a bit of a farce.

Also, are we being heard on our own or with Oxford and Mansfield?


Especially bearing in mind that the FA received their copy of the form.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Born in Crawley Hospital wrote:
Also, are we being heard on our own or with Oxford and Mansfield?

Oxford aren't appealing and their points have been taken off already. Mansfield's isn't a recent penalty so they can't appeal now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
thad wrote:
What would be relevant, is to know if the Conference would have concluded it's own planned internal review of it's processes ahead of the appeal...?

The appeal is heard by the FA not the Conference though.

Anyway, the Oxford Mail has printed that the sub-committee was reporting back to the Conference board on 23rd February.

I see that as a positive... if the Conference sub-committee conclude that the registration process itself is not robust enough - which must be the most likely outcome - it will at the very least form part of the context in which an infringement occured... a "mitigating factor"...

...the only way it cannot be seen as relevant, will be if the actual specific wording of the appeal has excluded it or if the Conference have conducted a whitewash.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have faith in the FA?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h.....884268.stm

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Oxford United winger Lewis Haldane has been withdrawn from the England C squad after it was discovered he has already played for Wales Under-21s.

The 23-year-old, on a season-long loan at the U's from Bristol Rovers, was in the squad to face Malta Under-21s.

A Football Association spokesman said: "Haldane's inclusion in the England C squad for the Malta was as a result of an administrative error."
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why didnt your secretary ring them to check that they had received it as that is what there supposed to do .
Why didnt she send it by recorded delivery ??
She would have had proof then
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eastie wrote:
Why didnt your secretary ring them to check that they had received it as that is what there supposed to do .
Why didnt she send it by recorded delivery ??
She would have had proof then

They contend that other registration documents that were sent at the same time were processed.

But in any event, as the process currently stands even proof of postage would not in itself be of significance.

However - the Conference sub-committee concluding that process is itself not robust enough would increase the relevance of both factors.

BTW - Barry Munn is a bloke.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
You have faith in the FA?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/h.....884268.stm

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Oxford United winger Lewis Haldane has been withdrawn from the England C squad after it was discovered he has already played for Wales Under-21s.

The 23-year-old, on a season-long loan at the U's from Bristol Rovers, was in the squad to face Malta Under-21s.

A Football Association spokesman said: "Haldane's inclusion in the England C squad for the Malta was as a result of an administrative error."


You'd have thought the player himself might remember, too! Confused

Also, did they not notice that, at 23 years old, he's not "under 21"? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
eastie wrote:
Why didnt your secretary ring them to check that they had received it as that is what there supposed to do .
Why didnt she send it by recorded delivery ??
She would have had proof then

They contend that other registration documents that were sent at the same time were processed.

But in any event, as the process currently stands even proof of postage would not in itself be of significance.

However - the Conference sub-committee concluding that process is itself not robust enough would increase the relevance of both factors.

BTW - Barry Munn is a bloke.


My understanding, Thad, is that the internal inquiry will be concentrating not so much on the registration process itself (The Conference will point out that the process was successfully used to register all but 4 or 5 players out of a total of well over 1200 among the 68 member clubs - a 99.5% success rate and one that is hard to argue with) but on the Conference's procedures for responding to the 0.5% of unregistered players they didn't catch.

That's no help to any appeal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anthony page wrote:
My understanding, Thad, is that the internal inquiry will be concentrating not so much on the registration process itself (The Conference will point out that the process was successfully used to register all but 4 or 5 players out of a total of well over 1200 among the 68 member clubs - a 99.5% success rate and one that is hard to argue with) but on the Conference's procedures for responding to the 0.5% of unregistered players they didn't catch.

That's no help to any appeal.

Strongly disagree - for illustration:

If the outcome of the review - as is likely - concludes that once an unregistered players name has appeared on a team sheet, the Conference procedure is not robust enough and should have a cross-checking mechanism in place to be able to immediately alert clubs.

Then it also follows that the maximum penalty tariff can cover one game only.

Clubs cannot be punished for subsequent games as it was the Conference who failed to inform them.

If that is the case, Oxford in particular, may regret not placing an appeal on the table, pending an outcome of the review.
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