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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

allanp wrote:
Not a convincing performance by England as far as I could see. The 'get-out-of-jail' card came in handy.

As usual when we get to a major tournament and the England players think that have a chance they blow it. They are not as good as they think they are.


Totally agree.....but a win is a win and we are top of the group.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be enough to see us through even if we mess up the next game. I haven't got the calculator out but I think a minimum of third is guaranteed, and finishing third with four points ought to be enough. First priority - don't lose. Win is a bonus.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

allanp wrote:
The 'get-out-of-jail' card came in handy.

Get out of jail... or let out on Bale...?

I survived my meal with mother and watching that game, the former was actually more fun than the latter... blimey we made hard work of that match but a win is a win and hopefully this will settle things down and get rid of some of the anxiety & indecision.

Roy seemed to finally see what the rest of us had already spotted from the last match and thankfully he took the required steps to change things. Surely Sterling had already been exposed as a "flat track bully" and should never have started...?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We worked hard (again) without being very good. Mind you, France have been no better and are being talked about as potential winners...

No more Sterling, and hopefully Roy has now worked out that it's a bit silly to bring five forwards and play only one up front.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I thought we played well against Russia without getting the win and far less well today. Germany also seem to be huffing and puffing tonight as well but you just know they will find a way somehow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sneaked the win in the end but deserved it following a dominant display - we never make it easy.

Harry Kane looks absolutely knackered, which is understandable after playing almost every game for Spurs in the last two season and spending last summer playing for the under-21s.

We're back on track and top the group, a win against Slovakia will see the first goal of finishing top achieved.

Kyle Walker our player of the tournament so far, closely followed by Wayne Rooney, IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A thumbs up to the officials. When Vardy netted, I just groaned thinking 'offside'. It wasn't until the replay that it was clear to me who headed it down to him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought it was interesting when Howard Webb appeared on the panel explaining that it is still offside when an opposing player makes contact with the ball when they were not attempting to play it. That certainly complicates the job of officials as it is not always obvious!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bridgesboy79 wrote:
I bought it was interesting when Howard Webb appeared on the panel explaining that it is still offside when an opposing player makes contact with the ball when they were not attempting to play it. That certainly complicates the job of officials as it is not always obvious!


I didn't see Howard Webb's appearance but that's how I understand the rule too. I suppose it's about whether it's a totally accidental deflection or just miscued. I think this instance would come under 'miscued' - even though that miscue was caused by the attentions of an England striker.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulc222 wrote:
bridgesboy79 wrote:
I bought it was interesting when Howard Webb appeared on the panel explaining that it is still offside when an opposing player makes contact with the ball when they were not attempting to play it. That certainly complicates the job of officials as it is not always obvious!


I didn't see Howard Webb's appearance but that's how I understand the rule too. I suppose it's about whether it's a totally accidental deflection or just miscued. I think this instance would come under 'miscued' - even though that miscue was caused by the attentions of an England striker.


Me and my lad both called it offside, no deliberate playing of the ball so still offside. I don't think it's difficult to call either, only an absolute lunatic would try to play a back header in that situation and I don't think I've ever seen a defender play a safety header in the position. But that's football, nobody gets it all right all the time.

I thought england battled well against a country with the population of south london and who are known as a rugby nation and their strength and determination saw them through.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josef, genuine question: I know the laws have changed and there is a concept of "being active" nowadays, but at what stage - in your opinion - was he offside..?

Subjectively was it only when he actually touched the ball? or in the build-up when he was ahead of the play and in the line of sight of the Welsh keeper, it didn't get flagged, but quite often seems to at that point...?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The laws around offside are sometimes hard to keep up with. I don't think the header was accidental - more the direction of it. But as Thad asks, although Vardy was not in th keeper's line of sight, might he have been close enough to be deemed an interference.
Who'd be a ref?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just glad the insufferable Welsh have piped down.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webb is quite right, think about when the pass is played forward and it takes a deflection on its way through. uUp goes the flag for offside and, despite some people shouting "but it came off their bloke!!", it's because of where the offside player was when the pass was played, and indeed because the opposing player's touch was not intentional, that the player is offside.

Yesterday, if the defender's header could be deemed to be accidental, then shouldn't the offside/onside decision be based on where Vardy was when Sturridge played the initial cross in ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warren wrote:
Sneaked the win in the end but deserved it following a dominant display - we never make it easy.

Harry Kane looks absolutely knackered, which is understandable after playing almost every game for Spurs in the last two season and spending last summer playing for the under-21s.

We're back on track and top the group, a win against Slovakia will see the first goal of finishing top achieved.

Kyle Walker our player of the tournament so far, closely followed by Wayne Rooney, IMO.


Danny Rose deserves a mention too. Started his Spurs career with a 35 yarder against Arsenal, so always had a lot to live up to. I haven't always been much of a fan, but he has come on leaps and bounds under Poch!

Both Spurs left backs on the field yesterday Cool
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