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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's against the law, he knew it was against the law and he admitted that he knew her age.

"Two to tango" doesn't come into it, he shouldn't have encouraged (groomed) her, she was classed as impressionable and had a young teenage crush on him. He should have looked at the consequences first.

He's a total knob......

......or maybe that's the wrong phrase!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notso wrote:
"Two to tango" doesn't come into it, he shouldn't have encouraged (groomed) her, she was classed as impressionable and had a young teenage crush on him. He should have looked at the consequences first.

It only matters when the issue of "consent" is pivotal to the case, in this instance it isn't, because both parties knew that she had not reached the age of consent... even an "innocent victim" can still be a victim.

But the real innocent victims are his partner, child & family, he should get a punishment that his actions merit... in many ways they will be punished worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

She didn't have to meet him or send him any pics.....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

True enough - but as far as the law is concerned, she was below the age of consent and therefore lacked the maturity to be a consenting partner in a sexual relationship.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

She didn't have to meet him or send him any pics.....


She was a young girl who had just turned 15.
Adam Johnson being nearly twice her age should have heard alarm bells rininging in he's ears when she approached him.He chose for whatever reason to put himself in mortal danger and deserves all he gets becsuse of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty foolish of him really. If he really was going through a period of enforced sexual abstinence, there are plenty out there who would have satisfied him for a fee - and kept quiet about it (assuming they even knew who he was). Mind you, that might not have fed the power dynamic for a worshipped 'superstar'.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

She didn't have to meet him or send him any pics.....


Some really distasteful comments really about the girl on this thread.

So the person that you feel shares equal blame is a child who should have said no? At what age does that being able to say no start for you? 5, 6 years of age?

A child, who by the sounds of it would also have been infatuated with the bloke, was groomed for an adults sexual gratification. That's it, end of the matter.

The reason famous people have done this in the past is because of the attraction of who they are to the young people involved.

Spin it as much as you like but you do sound like a person defending what would have been a pedophile attack.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

She didn't have to meet him or send him any pics.....

I agree with josefk. There's a reason it is illegal to have sexual relations with an u-16 - they are more vulnerable, and that's particularly the case when one party is a famous footballer, and the other party is a Sunderland-obsessed fan whose favourite player is said footballer.

Johnson is 28 F.F.S. The fact that you're defending him, or at least asking for some blame to apportioned onto the 15 year old girl speaks volumes about you. Volumes.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GillsMan wrote:
Sussex Boy wrote:
She also knew she was underage and could (and should) of said no.

She didn't have to meet him or send him any pics.....

I agree with josefk. There's a reason it is illegal to have sexual relations with an u-16 - they are more vulnerable, and that's particularly the case when one party is a famous footballer, and the other party is a Sunderland-obsessed fan whose favourite player is said footballer.

Johnson is 28 F.F.S. The fact that you're defending him, or at least asking for some blame to apportioned onto the 15 year old girl speaks volumes about you. Volumes.


Indeed. I would serious worry about people who in any way try to justify what he did or apportion blame elsewhere. Whether she knew etc is neither here nor there. He was the 'adult' and made a serious mistake.

On the basis that kids aged 11/12 are taught about consent I suppose Sussex Boy would say that kids of that age should also know to say no and are therefore 'fair game'.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets not get hysterical, Sussex Boy is not condoning the sexual exploitation of minors by predatory adults. The age of the victim determines that she was not mature enough to freely consent to anything, that is understood.

I suspect the point he is making is: If your 16-year-old was robbed by a 14-year-old hoodie, you would expect the assailant to be held accountable for their action...? That would still be the case if that 14-year-old mugger was coaxed by a 17-year-old..? but quite rightly the older person would receive the majority of the blame.

However, it also illustrates that the law & prevailing attitudes do accept that early-teens still have a level of responsibility for their recklessness... It becomes a question of individual maturity & vulnerability...

...and that highlights an anomaly in attitudes towards sexual offences... whereby an individuals status can change from automatic victim to automatic offender, subject to their actions & partners at a snog-fest before and after midnight at their 16th birthday party..!

Unfortunately Sussex Boy used a bad example cos in the Johnson case it is absolutely not in doubt who the victim is and how their immaturity & vulnerability was exploited... one other point is that the psychological damage to the victim may not be apparent at this stage of their development.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
Unfortunately Sussex Boy used a bad example cos in the Johnson case it is absolutely not in doubt who the victim is and how their immaturity & vulnerability was exploited... one other point is that the psychological damage to the victim may not be apparent at this stage of their development.


That's what we are all saying.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not defending him and not condoning him!!!

Iv already said that he his punishment is fitting. But she knew what she was doing.....simple.


Gillsman, Josefk and Simon can *beep* right off!!!

In no way have I had said its ok to do stuff like that with minors!!

Thank you thad...least someone understood what I was trying to say.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such drama queens on here.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think part of the problem too is about Johnson's age - 28. If the offender had been a 16 or 17 year old football apprentice, I suspect that this would have been viewed far less harshly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
Thank you thad...least someone understood what I was trying to say.

No problem, I was concerned that the flaming torches were about to appear...

...as stated, there is an anomaly in law regarding maturity & vulnerability, in all other legal situations there is a measured assessment applied to individual capacity.... in these sort of cases there is one-rule in force for all...

...t is not perfect, but it is there to offer protection to the most vulnerable and unlike most laws, is actually easy for everyone to understand and apply.
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